Talk:UK bass

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For a real interactive story of the history of Miami Bass, join our Yahoo Group devoted to chronicalling it's evolution & formation. Our members include Neil Case aka Bass Mekanik, Dynamix II, Maggotron, 2BMF, and many others.Op

How about we change it to an external link and tone down the advertising? Wesley

Expansion, Correction" This is a fairly new phenomenon and I see this page expanding quickly, with so many artists producing a wide variety of genres with great overlap. However what I've observed is that what people call Bass refers to any flavour of house techno and breaks so long as the music is "bass driven". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.12.238.87 (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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nonsense genre naming

its not wise to define a genre/subgenre by something so universal and cross-genre like "bass". you are not helping identify anything other than the track has bass notes and that it might be "bumpin'", which means it could be just about any genre or artist out there

this phenomenon is similar to "dance music" and "future" whatever

- anon

I do not agree. There aren't that many genres in which bass is the focus. Also that's not necessarily the scope of "bass music". Also "dance music" (I guess you're referring to EDM?) is a relatively useful/making sense imo. Either way it doesn't really matter what you or others think about its usefulness because if it's a used term with WP:RS an article is warranted. --Fixuture (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I have to agree with the initial post (in its main point at least): "Bass music" is a way too general term. I suppose this article was written by British authors, and it might make sense in Great Britain, where the term has (taken on) this certain meaning. But neither in the U.S. nor in continental Europe are people thinking of this particular music when reading the words "bass music". Instead, they rather think of Maggotron, Dynamix II and Miami bass. Just to give you an idea of how the term is used somewhere else, see this Discogs entry on a Maggotron alias, or this Allmusic biography on Dynamix II using the term in the very first sentence. So, I'd strongly suggest to rename this article into the more precise (and, according to the article, synonymous) term UK bass. Can we agree to that? Cheers, WilhelmSchneider (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Since no one vetoed, I'll go for it, then! WilhelmSchneider (talk) 11:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. WilhelmSchneider (talk) 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Merge of Bass music and Future bass

As both Future bass and Bass music these genres are considered to have the same view and emphasis on similar subjects, both of these genres musical elements can be both related and distinct between one another, overall they still go under the same category; Bass music. In exchange rather than having both of these articles separate, the merge could too lead to a better performance with new controbutions and changes being taken place. 120.147.37.23 (talk) 06:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose - Future bass is notable in its own right. In fact, future bass and bass music are different musically. There's no reason to even connect the latter to the former. - TheMagnificentist 13:19, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Future bass is a form of UK Bass, if it weren't for UK Bass the genre wouldn't exist, do you have anything to say to that? Yes they are different in tune but musically speaking in elemental terms they are the same thing 120.147.37.23 (talk) 09:52, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Bass music is too general for one to claim it originated from a certain country. Any genre with bass can be considered bass music. Future bass, however, is different. Not all bass music (genres) can be considered it. Future bass is more to EDM and dance music, especially trap music. - TheMagnificentist 10:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Take it as how did "Bass" and "Future bass" develop? 'Bass' "The breadth of styles that have come to be associated with the term preclude it from being a specific musical genre" and 'Future bass' "It is a broad genre of music, offering a wide variety of sounds and rhythms normally produced by a synthesizer." tells us they are not a specific genre. However, given the links, interaction, and free-flowing ideas breadth of styles of music under the term Bass or Future bass. The difference? The synthesizer. Looking at this by fact, Future bass is a form of "Bass", if it weren't for "Bass" the genre wouldn't exist. Yes they are different but at the same time they overlap, thats why I used the term distinct as to some elements incorporated are the same. Thus if we did merge the article it could be dissociate or split "Bass" and "Future bass" in the same article, however this saying too the list of Future bass artists need to be ordered somewhere either in the wiki article or a separated wiki article. Trap music is a "form" or "breadth" of "bass music". Trap developed in the early 2000's and Future bass didn't come around until 2010's. Both Bass and Future bass both take in EDM genres, if it is not 'bass' what is it then? Future house? Future garage? Future [other]? 120.147.37.23 (talk) 10:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

For example Hip hop > Southern Hip Hop > Trap > Bass > Future bass 120.147.37.23 (talk) 10:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

120.147.37.23, you didn't request consensus the proper way, which is why no one is commenting anything here. That template doesn't look good on the article and it has been there for months. I'd recommend doing something about it like maybe invite more people to discuss this and have an admin decide whether the merger is appropriate or not. - TheMagnificentist 17:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose the suggested merge to Future bass. Instead, this article about "bass music" should be merged into the sub-section Dubstep#Post-dubstep which correctly tells the reader that the notional genre is too varied and too wide to be considered its own musical genre. We should not have a separate article for it. Also, we can put an entry for "Bass music" at the Bass disambiguation page, telling readers that the term is an alternate name for a wide variety of music styles known as Post-dubstep. Binksternet (talk) 18:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

This is inane, "UK bass" isn't explicitly associated with dubstep, that it's sometimes used synonymously with "post-dubstep" developments doesn't make it so.gentlecollapse6 (talk) 02:50, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I accede to Binksternet, on that they shouldn't be both seperate articles and that the genre is too varied and too wide. Technically 'UK bass' and 'Post-dubstep' can be clarified in one genre as to the fact that it was created or used before 'Future bass' but if they call it 'Future bass' why don't these artists call it 'Post-future' or something like that. Call me oldschool, but some artists of the genre need to learn more education or give some characteristics as to where these genre elements came from, rather than just saying it is just scramble of the terminology 'EDM' which rather puts it off guard and not give some form of ground to it, which then becomes too puzzled characteristically. To add why don't they rather call the genre 'Present bass', as a substitute than these 'Future' genres, let alone help me if they ever do later make a name called 'Past bass'. 120.147.37.23 (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

The word future in these genre names is likely an allusion to futurism. I think Apoptygma Berzerk started it all. – filelakeshoe (t / c)  03:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to showcase reasourses that relate to "Future bass" with "UK bass" below this paragraph
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What is Future Bass 120.147.37.23 (talk) 08:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. "Post-dubstep" returns more reliable results in Google than "bass music" does. Also, there is not a category for "bass music" albums, but there is one for "post-dubstep". I think it is a genre on its own right. There are also some articles characterizing albums and artists as post-dubstep. The Colour in Anything and We're New Here, for example. The only article I've seen that characterized one album as "bass music" was Aa. - ElectricController (talk page) 17:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose merging this article with future bass. I will accept that people might not be talking about a poorly defined genre called "future bass" if it weren't for two extant poorly defined genres called "UK bass" and "future garage", but I see no reason to make the leap of faith to stating that one is a derivative of another, which doesn't seem to be the case. To be honest, after reading the future bass article which lists various musical characteristics that are as good as universal to the majority of electronic dance music post-2000 and a bizarrely random list of artists, I am left with no idea about what "future bass" is even supposed to be. Also oppose merging this article with Dubstep. The content in the post-dubstep section of the dubstep article should focus on the progressions from dubstep specifically. I'm fine with this article presenting UK bass as a broad umbrella term but the terms UK bass, bass music and post-dubstep are flaky, some people are clearly applying them more broadly and others more narrowly. – filelakeshoe (t / c)  03:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

References

Post-dubstep

I removed one ref about bass music also being called post-dubstep because the source cited said the opposite, i.e. that "bass music and post-dubstep had splintered". I am also not sure whether that Guardian source with one paragraph under a pic of Bok Bok and L-Vis 1990 suffices to cite that bass music is also known as post-dubstep (and future garage). Are they not talking about the Night Slugs sound in particular rather than a genre? – filelakeshoe (t / c)  01:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)