Talk:Thomas W. Chittum

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Chittum's a bit off, but using words like "rants" (among other things written in the article) to describe his views shows obvious bias. Perhaps something along the lines of this should be used? cornince 22:16, 6 Feb 2005 CST

Good idea. Go for it. Cheers, -Willmcw 04:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Chittums's not a bit off for anyone who has any knowledge of what happens when a country is immersed in the tribalizing concepts of pluralism and multicultural diversity. Wikipedia also claims Chittum to be a white separatist. In reading Chittum's book, "Civil War II", such is clearly not the case. The book speaks to the natural result of the tribalizing concepts of pluralism and multicultural diversity (the hynpenated society). One of the first experiments in multicultural diversity was the former Yugoslavia which broke up along ethnic lines. It should be a lesson to America who seems to be deaf and blind. Warring tribes along ethnic lines did not emerge in America until the idea of pluralism and multicultural diversity (as opposed to the melting pot concept of "we are all Americans" not hyphenated Americans) became pervasive. Chittum is on the mark about where those concepts will lead America. --216.255.192.46 17:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Chittum's Website Down?

http://firebaseskull.com/

This website does not appear to be functional. I heard about this person via an Amazon book he sells, but the official website (if firebaseskull.com is his) is just timing out on me. Can anyone else confirm it before we remove it from the article?--Saintlink 08:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Can We Get a Link?

The report mentioning Chittum as a possible war criminal--can we possibly get a link to that? Perhaps the poster can go back and get it or tell us how to get it.66.21.213.254 06:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Mercenary?

Chittum's own bio describes him as a "rifleman". The Wikipedia defintion for mercenary is:

A mercenary is a soldier who fights or engages in warfare primarily for private gain, usually with little regard for ideological, national, or political considerations, however, when the term "mercenary" is used to refer to a soldier of a national, regular army, it usually is an insult, epithet or pejorative.

I think it is clear that Chittum had specific ideological reasons for fighting in Rhodesia, at least, and maybe Croatia. It is not at all clear to me that he was not a regular member of the army.

Unless someone has specific knowledge that would allow them to make this charge (which, as our definition notes is pejoritive) it should be changed to something more neutral such as "soldier" or "infantryman".

More background:

In the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions (GC) of 12 August 1949and the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977 it is stated:

Art 47. Mercenaries

1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war. 2. A mercenary is any person who: (a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict; (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities; (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party; (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict; (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.

Chittum appears?

Chittum apparently put this in the main article and I moved here:

I am Thomas W Chittum, and I have never even heard of the Citizens Alliance Party. Also, I am not and never have been a member of the American Nationalist Union, but I have contributed articles to their publication.

The reports of me being involved in that Medac pocket business are total baloney. I had left Croatia MONTHS PRIOR to that incident. My writings can be found at America First Books.

My address is PO Box 83961 Gaithersburg MD 20878

Per WP:LIVING, I have removed the aforementioned material, which is uncited. Yakuman (数え役満) 03:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, but the remaining material in the article is uncited too. Unless we can find some reasonable sources that establish the notability of the subject we should think about deleting the article. -Will Beback · † · 04:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The remainder is a stub. Yakuman (数え役満) 05:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but even stubs have to be sourced and concern notable topics. -Will Beback · † · 05:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You can make a ref tag as well as I can. Yakuman (数え役満) 05:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I've already added "fact" and "notability" tags. If nothing is added to address those issues then we should think about deleting the article. -Will Beback · † · 05:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

In the time you've spent complaining, I solved one problem (notability via significant media coverage) and most of the second. Yakuman (数え役満) 05:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How did you obtain the citations so quickly? They don't appear to be available online. -Will Beback · † · 05:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I made the changes earlier, assuming that someone would step in and cleanup the article. You start talking about notability, forcing that "someone" to be me. <Argh!> So I fired up my private database account. It comes in handy when nailing down facts.Yakuman (数え役満) 05:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "private database account". Are these citations online, but only avaialbe after paying an archive fee? If so can you provide the quotes which substantiate Chittum's notability? Simply being mentioned in an article doesn't meet the standards of WP:BIO. -Will Beback · † · 05:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The cites are there in periodicals mentioned. Your insinuation that I'm making stuff up does not deserve a response. I only jumped in out of fear that some admin tricks like speedy delete were coming. I'm not endorsing the guy, but he's certainly notable.Yakuman (数え役満) 05:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not insinuating you made it up, but I'd like to see what they say that makes the guy notable. What is this private database account that you're referring to? Can I get access? As for notability, please see WP:BIO. Also, I doin't know what you mean by "admin tricks" but that doesn't sound like a nice thing. -Will Beback · † · 06:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)