Talk:Tangier

Population estimates

It seems some data vandalism is striking again Moroccan pages. Population estimate for Tangier is about 850.000 AND NOT 1.850.000! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhandis79 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Tangiers

This article needs a picture of its location H.M.S Me

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The article references 5 BCE but the link goes to 5BC, which unless I am mistaken, are not the same thing. --Lucky13pjn 21:49, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

It references 5th Century BCE rather than 5 BCE. BCE is the same as BC - see BCE Ian Cairns 22:27, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

--- i did fond this :"Founded by Carthaginian colonists in the early 5th century BCE)" may i see more source about this fact ?Aziri 10:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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This says that Morocco was the first nation to recognize the United States. I thought the first country to recognize the US was Dubrovnik. - Montrealais

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Is a resident a "Tangerine"? And isn't their a Tangiers, Algeria, that isn't this one? Trekphiler 22:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

tangier to tarifa

does anyone know of any yacht charter companies that would allow me to hire a boat from either tarifa or tangier?

Depending on how rich you are ;) I found one for you; no commission! Marbella charter. Cheers -- Szvest 04:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Who calls Tangier "Tangiers"?

When we visited there a few years ago, signs on the road referring to this city spelled its name: "TANGIERS." -BD, 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boni7777 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

It is mainly some British who use the word for Tangiers. This is NOT correct. Whoever uses it is not using what even most British residents in Tangier (the correct spelling) use. If it is a past historical spelling, that's ok. But the generally and most common spelling of the city is Tangier, WITHOUT an s on the end. This is what should be used. Most of the world is not British, and the generally accepted spelling is Tangier worldwide.

I suggest people mistake Algiers for Tangiers because the names are slightly similar and it seems a bit odd to name a capital city after a country or the other way around, so you think you've remembered it wrongly, although in fact it's done quite often, particualrly for small states. So a claimed 2005 quote from the Wall Street Journal apparently slips on Algiers at http://pppue.undp.org/downloads/PPPUE%20Newsletter%20Issue%2044.doc (put it through Google)

(BTW, dont put your e-mail address on Wikipedia) Jameswilson 02:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

That's just your opinion! see http://www.answers.com/topic/tangier-tangiers. Both ways of spelling are correct - it really depends on the common spelling that people use.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.146.43 (talk • contribs)

The notion of a "correct" English spelling for Tangiers is a bit ridiculous. Morocco is an Arabic and French speaking country, so the only "correct" spellings would be the Arabic طنجة or the French Tanger. Until recently, the predominant spelling I encountered (in America) was Tangiers, and many older maps refer to the city this way. Most modern maps show the city as Tangier or Tanger.Bravenav 18:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

ridiculous? are you joking? that's awesome. The Jackal God (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why only French and Arabic would have spellings. Consider Rome, which is Rome in English, but not a city ever ruled by the English or British and is Roma in Italian. Or Cologne, which is Koeln in German but English uses its own spelling. 64.229.101.119 (talk) 18:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Ditto. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 20:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I can only speak for myself, but I had always thought it was "Tangiers" for some reason. I wish this article at least had a note about the different spellings. CSWarren (talk) 19:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the majority spelling is "Tangier" and it's the only one Merriam-Webster acknowledges and in-house favorite for the OED but Wiktionary's editors thought that Tangiers was the primary form of the word and it's certainly very common. It's certainly more euphonious in English and cf. the historical forms of "Lyons", "Marsailles", etc. "Algiers" is precisely as "right" as Tangiers is—they're both based on adjusting the French to something that sounds better in English. — LlywelynII 11:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

missing history

this article meeds current info, like current demographics. It also needs info on religions other than than Catholic--like Muslims live there. Thanks Hmains 19:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I am trying to do my best. Just bisy w/ other stuff for now. -- Szvest 22:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I tightened up the history section - just style edits. I wonder though whether all that matierla about the Catholic church in Tangier is of interest to anyojne - it's a Muslim city, the Muslim connection is much more interesting. PiCo 07:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job on the overall PiCo. I agree w/ you though some mentions about Christianity should stay but let's wait a bit to see other people's comments. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 14:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I was also going to point out that the Religion section heading should be changed to Catholic History in Tangier as it does not reflect current conditions there. Tangier is predominantly Muslim, with Christians and also Jews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SFO Guy (talk • contribs) 15:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Music

I've removed the reference to Led Zeppelin's song Tangerine. The reference that the word tangerine comes from Tangier was unsourced, not to mention that the fact is completely useless and pointless. Let's not list all media with eponymous words. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stottpie (talk • contribs) 23:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

what about the line from the musical movie Shock Treatment? "I've seen clinics, with those gimmicks in Tangiers". shouldn't that be put on the page?

from what tanger was found by cartago is associated to hispania ,when the romans conquered tanger also it were associated to spain in all history of tanger from his found to 1148 invaded for arabics califas ,tanger will be spanihs again!!

Loom of Youth Error

The Loom of Youth, by Alec Waugh, describes life in an English public school. There's no reference to Tangier, as you can see at http://www.gutenberg.lib.md.us/1/8/8/6/18863/18863-h/18863-h.htm Waugh did live in Tangier, however, so perhaps the reference should be to one of his other (numerous) books? Mergy 20:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Infobox?

Shouldn't there be an infobox here? — *H¡ρρ¡ ¡ρρ¡ 12:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

People who died in Tangier

Charles FitzCharles, 1st Earl of Plymouth, per the description in thepeerage.com and the wikipedia Charles FitzCharles page, died on 17 October 1680 in Tangier.

Quote: The King's Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) was formed on the 13 July 1680 as the 2nd Tangier, or Earl of Plymouth's Regiment of Foot with Charles as the founding Colonel. Charles died of dysentery without issue on 17 October 1680, aged 23 and the British were ultimately forced to withdraw ending the Tangier Garrison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.85.30.3 (talk) 18:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Re anon Ips removing link to recent Guardian article

These deletes are suspected of being made by User:BKLisenbee contra to mediation at User:FayssalF/JK

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edit summery states External links: the article is not a good link for Tangier, and is one of numerous written over the years on Tangier.)

This edit aslo removes a second link "silently".

162.84.140.168 diff see[2] edit summery (→External links: removed link to a very minor travel article, among many others, more trivia hard facts about the city)

Both summeries almost identical.

Article interviews widow of Mohamed Hamri and offends the Users POV editing style . As an oft time visitor to Tangier I found it informative especially regarding the new “chic” aspect of TNG and other matters. I have reverted and reproted incidents. Opiumjones 23 (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Antonio Fuentes is described as the Picasso de Tangier or Picasso of Tangier, in Courrier du Maroc, http://courrierdumaroc.com/Antonio%20Fuentes.htm, so it is in dispute whether it is a mistaken attribution and in the Guardian article. And, it should be pointed out that this is the only footnote in the people who lived or sojourned in Tangier, so who really has the POV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.46.116.2 (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Clarification: I made this edit before I had read IP's comment. Please say so if there was any inconvenience. Cheers, Pim Rijkee (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Boulaich Mountain

Hello to all.... Is there a mountain call Boulaich Mountain...? My Dad was from their and I was told that theres a mountain owned by the boulaich family is this right....

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.106.131 (talk) 22:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

There is no mountain/hill officially named Mont Boulaich/Boulaich Mountain in/close to Tangier. However, I do not know if there 'a' hill/mountain owned by a family named Boulaich, but with another name: that question would be hard to answer and is not within the scope of this talk page. However, you can post your question at the reference desk - they will help you out. Cheers, Pim Rijkee (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the reversion you did removed the term Picasso of Tangier in reference to Antonio Fuentes. I have re-added it, an important fact, as well as the reference to the article in Le Gazette du Maroc where it appears. Fuentes also knew Picasso, and his works are similar. Please do not remove this. Yes, there was a problem with your reversion since it removed essential description. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.46.116.2 (talk) 22:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Re this anon Ip see [3] Blocked as suspected as being topic banned user Catapla (talk) 02:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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Timeline of Tangier

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Leave aside that it's unsourced, leave aside that it's at odds with what we have at Wiktionary, leave aside that the only real difference between between the sounds in "freer" and "rear" is the length (not quality) of the vowel... a) Wikipedia is WP:NOTDICTIONARY and this should just be dealt with at Wiktionary; b) the WP:LEADSENTENCE is bloated as all get-out and, even if we wanted to talk pronunciation here because we think our readers might frequently imagine it's pronounced "TANG-guh-YEER", it should be addressed in a name section instead; c) it would not only need sourcing—it needs to be inclusive. The present pronunciation is only American and at least the British form should also be addressed. (Wiktionary might be wrong but it thinks dialect affects the quality of the vowel in addition to its rhotacity.) — LlywelynII 12:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Etymology

Similarly, I know it's easy to use but the Online Etymology Dictionary really is more like a hit-or-miss one-man blog than a RELIABLESOURCE. He's right that it's Punic and the Greek story is a folk etymology, but a) he isn't as firm about that as he should be (he seems to want to leave it open that there might have been an African-based titan named Atlas who had a Greek-speaking city-founding daughter...); b) there's no such language as "Semitic"; c) the languages of the Semitic families put different vowels into (usually) tripartite roots; and d) the word he gives (from somewhere I guess and with a plausible enough supposed meaning) doesn't really explain the existence of Punic Tangier's N, let alone its terminal A. — LlywelynII 12:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Housekeeping

This edit establishing the page also established the use of BCE/CE dating (per WP:ERA) and British English (per WP:ENGVAR). Kindly maintain them consistently, pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 13:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Siege of Tangier

Note that Lévi-Provençal (1936), p. 652 considers the entire final six years of English occupation to have been a single continuous and successful siege. Seems rather dubious to me (destroying one's own defenses at a leisurely pace over a span of months doesn't really scream "the enemy is at the gates"), but it could be added in here and at English Tangiers and Tangiers Garrison if additional sources were found and the appropriate caveats and explanations were added. — LlywelynII 11:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Orwell

This passage

The writer [[George Orwell]] and his wife (travelling as Mr. & Mrs. Blair) visited Tangier in September, 1938. Orwell reported newspapers on sale:"''La Press Morocain'', strongly pro-Franco; ''Le Petite Morocain'', impartial; ''La Dépêche Morocain'', somewhat pro-Franco; ''Le Journal De Tanger'', seemingly non-political; ''Tangier Gazette & Morocco Mail'', an English weekly, slightly antifascist and strongly anti-Japanese." He also noted "There are four post offices, one French, one British and two Spanish – Franco and government. Stamps are British surcharged Tangier. Coinage as in French Morocco."<ref>{{cite book |title=George Orwell Diaries |year=2012 |publisher=W.W. Norton & Co |isbn=978-0-87140-410-7 |pages=93–94 }}</ref>

may belong somewhere, but that doesn't seem to be here. Is there anyone coming to a general-purpose article on present-day Tangier really interested in primary sources about Pro/Anti Franco newspapers on sale in the 1930s? It seems too picayune, except as a source to a discussion about how there were separate Spanish services for the liberals and conservatives during the Spanish Civil War. — LlywelynII 11:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Fuentes

Similarly

Antonio Fuentes was born in Tangier in 1905 from a Spanish family. An article in La Gazette du Maroc described Antonio Fuentes as the Picasso of Tangier,<ref>[http://www.lagazettedumaroc.com/articles.php?r=7&sr=971&n=553&id_artl=15416 La Gazette Du Maroc] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110713181444/http://www.lagazettedumaroc.com/articles.php?r=7&sr=971&n=553&id_artl=15416 |date=2011-07-13 }}. La Gazette Du Maroc. Retrieved on 2011-06-04.</ref> and he died in the city 90 years later.<ref>[http://www.antoniofuentes.org www.antoniofuentes.org]. www.antoniofuentes.org. Retrieved on 2011-06-04.</ref>

seems straightforward enough for its own article but misplaced here. At the moment, the name Antonio Fuentes links to List of Alamo defenders and is presumably a different person. If this person is notable enough to deserve a separate article, a link in the people section seems more than enough. — LlywelynII 17:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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Medina divisions

Took out:

Historically, the city proper within the medina ("Old Town") was divided into 14 districts based upon the Berber clans who resettled Tangier after the departure of the English.

I am confident this is too many districts.

Mikeyat (talk) 20:45, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Tangier on the hippie trail

Hi all,

Does anyone know whether Tangier was actually part of the hippie trail? From what I have found, this route mainly went over the European mainland to Istanbul. The source that is used now to claim that it was part of the hippie trail is a travel guide, not sure if that counts as a reliable source. Wisenose (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)