Talk:Islamic view of Enoch

Just curious if someone could help:

1) Is Idris attributed to have also invented (formal) logic?

2) Does the Qur'án indicate that Idris was Enoch, the grand-son of Noah, or is this derived from traditions or...?

Thanks! Brettz9 23:10, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have checked Qur'an there is not much information on Idris. It appears in twice but very little info. (Turkish version is searchable at www.kuran.gen.tr). I don't know any references but I guess it must be made by matching other names and their relations in Torah and Qur'an. Qur'an of course does not mention Enoch under that name. I didn't find anything mentioned on Idris being the grand-son of Noah in Qur'an when I searched "Idris".

But what is interesting is Manly Hall mentions in his book "Secret Teachings of All Ages" that Enoch is Egyptian God Thoth (Hermes Trismegistus or Dhjuwthy). Thoth was the creator of medicine, chemistry, law, art, astrology, music, rhetoric, anotomy and oratory. Rhetoric is closest to what you are asking. This discription matches what is written in the article. Aknxy 22:54, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

Is "the Enoch book of the bible preserved by the Ethiopian church" = Book of Enoch? Esquizombi 10:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He is still alive?

Assalamualaikum,

I am just wonder whether a section can be added to the article regarding his current status. I'd heard from my religous teacher that Idris (A.S) is still alive but he is in the heaven (Jannah).

Wallahua'lam (Only Allah knows more) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keep88 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I Think that might be counted as OR. But if you could maybe find some Qur'an verses or Hadith it might work. Zazaban 01:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Idris?

Why is there an estimated date on here? That needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.172.5 (talk) 01:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand, the identification of Idris as the biblical Enoch is rather vague, and most books would simply say that he is commonly identified as such. I have always been intrigued by the Welsh legendary figure of Idris. There is a mountain in Wales called Cader Idris which means the seat of Idris. Interestingly (or coincidentally), cader = chair in Welsh sounds very close to the Arabic qa3ida, also meaning a sitting place. Can anyone shed light on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.200.196 (talk) 21:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The legendary Welsh Idris is often associated with King Arthur, who is a prophetic figure in British folklore, (although this association is equally tenuous.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salthebad (talk • contribs) 21:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is more appropriate to make title "Idris", and add the information that he's islamic view of enoch into the article. Article should be NPOV, this title is consequence of a judeo-christian POV which is not totally wrong but inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.230.45.231 (talk) 20:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible vandal?

Edit from 75.43.79.38 : Nöldeke suggests, not unreasonably, that Idris is none other than Andreas, Alexander the Great's cook.

I have removed the text for now. Xathria (talk) 08:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not true!

Idris isn't Enoch, Idris (or to be more accurate, Edris) is Elias (Elijah), and the Qur'an says that God (Allah) raised him to higher place, and there is a hadith about Ibn Masoud (who was one of the Gospels of the prophet) in which he said literally: Edris is Elias. I am going to get you the references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.135.88.42 (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ

Present your facts to qualify your statement brother. My master who teaches me "Bulughul Maram" & a couple of other things like sirah insists that his real name is Hanukh. Idris is not really his name but Allah calls him Idris because he's a learned man and Allah teaches him things. He might be the first person to write. His name is from the arabic (and probably also semitic d-r-s/drš) root word "darasa". All these Islamic scholars agree that Idris is Enoch and you're saying differently? On top of that, your claim does not make any historical sense (that Idris be Ezekiel). http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/Prophet/idris.htm http://imanway1.com/eng/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=1 http://ftp.fortunaty.net/com/sacred-texts/isl/bkt/bkt05.htm http://love-whom-rumi-loved.co.uk/wp/category/blessed-idris-and-noah-ancient-life/

Elias is known as Elijah in the Bible. From "El i Yahu" and he's not the 2nd prophet. Idris/Enoch is the second prophet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmihamid (talk • contribs) 06:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish views of Enoch

it would be a good ide to have a parallel article on the Jewish view of Enoch. ADM (talk) 12:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editor's attention

1. The amount of purely sectarian discussion going on here (and clearly just beneath the surface in the article), probably needs attention from an editor. Wikipedia is supposed to present scholarly, not religious, information.

2. Idris evidently has an independent existence in Moslem tradition and he was secondarily identified with Enoch (and with Hermes Trismegestus for that matter). I came here looking for information on that, but there is none.

3. As far as the identification with Encoh and Hermes (as well as Zoroastrian and other figures), I've been reading van Baldel's The Arabic Hermes (2009), and that book contains a lot of information (including translations of the primary sources) that would be useful here. For instance, it is true that Idris/Hermes/Enoch is credited with the invention of clothing, as mentioned in the article, but also with writing, poetry, astrology, and the arts and sciences in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.40.228 (talk) 20:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]