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"Days later, Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer's 7th Cavalry attacked a camp of the Lakota and their Cheyenne allies on the banks of Greasy Grass Creek Little Big Horn River. The resulting Battle of the Little Bighorn saw the Sioux and Cheyenne, under the leadership of Tatanka Iyotake and Tašunka Witko, defeat the 7th Cavalry, killing 258 soldiers (43% of the regiment present) in one of the worst defeats of the Indian Wars for the Army."

Note the bolded section: vandalism? Seems like some Japanese kids are putting up their names for leading the battle against Custer...

Lol, Japanese Kids? What kind of moron are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.111.244.252 (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.113.21 (talk) 06:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Deleted.--Dwane E Anderson (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my mistake! Apparently those are the native language names of Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse. I reverted it.--Dwane E Anderson (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, these only serve to confuse the flow of the article. The links to the articles on these people should serve to infomr our readers about alternative names etc. --Kevin Murray (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Some say that General Custer came to the Black Hills in 1874 with a larger personal purpose. Namely, he was trying to position himself for a Presidential run. Does anyone have information on this subject?

"A United States Civil War

It is technically incorrect to this day to refere to a conflict between a Native American tribe or tribes and the US govt. as a "Civil war". Civil war implies that one country is a war with itself. The federally recognised native tribes are to this day for all intents and purposes separate countries. Just as separate as Canada or Mexico is from the US. Some even straddles the borders with Mexico and Canada. This was even more true back then. Afterall nations do not relate to thier own internal parts via treaties. Treaties are made between countries. Based on these facts I am removing the phrase civl war. --Hfarmer 07:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC) The federally recognised native tribes are to this day for all intents and purposes separate countries. I agree with the delete, but they are not "countries" (i.e. nation states) any longer. They are autonomous tribal entities for purposes of governing their reservations but have been full citizens of the United States (the original "native Americans") since 1924. BTW I am Teton Lakota.--Buckboard 15:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naming

The Great Sioux War is actually how this conflict is most commonly known. Just on Google, references to it triple the "Black Hills war," and the ratio becomes even worse against the Black Hills War in professional and scholarly publications. Currently, there are 32 uses of "Black Hills War" on Google Books, 284 of "Great Sioux War"; 111 uses of "Great Sioux War" on Google Scholar, just 1 of "Black Hills War". 71.129.81.136 15:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Expeditions

I have come upon various conflicting sources regarding the name of the expedition(s) of the soldiers in the Black Hills War. I have seen Little Big Horn Expedition, but I have also seen reports of the Big Horn and Yellowstone Expedition [1] and [2] which mainly consist of discussions of the trials and tribulations of General Crook. It occurs to me that perhaps the various expedition names were applied to the different columns of troops operating independently during the war. If so, then there might be some value in adding new articles for each "expedition" to tie into this main article. If nothing else, the above sources can help us flesh out details about the Crook advance. Either way, there seems to be potential here, but before we proceed, I would like to hear from some more knowledgeable editors. Thanks a million. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 18:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It gets messier too - Powder River Expedition claims Crook's operation under its name too. Also muddling the waters is the Stanley Yellowstone Expedition of 1873 which Custer also participated in. I need a serious de-befuddling here. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 18:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Battlefield Picture Shown

The painting included with the article was clearly not painted by anybody who has seen the Little Bighorn Battlefield, AKA "Custer's Last Stand." The picture shows a mountainous region where the actual battlefield was on the plains. There is a ridgeline at the battle site, but the hills roll gently down to the river. 198.182.9.170 (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)Keith Sogge[reply]

Flags

The Native American flags are anachronistic - they did not exist at the time of this conflict - and are being removed per Wiki policy WP:Flags. 2.1.3 - Historical Considerations.

Sensei48 (talk) 02:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]