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The source for this is an article in Haaretz which is clearly addressing a specific phenomenon of antisemitism in left-wing circles among foreign activists. This is not evidence of ‘widespread antisemitic sentiments in Palestinian society’ and it is certainly not evidence that this is a main hindrance to the peace process. Portraying Palestinians as antisemitic, in an article protected to prevent vandalism no less, is utterly absurd and anti-Palestinian. It is a politicised statement which needs rectifying. There are multiple blockages to the peace process. Antisemitism isn’t one of them. 2600:6C50:79F0:90:A4F2:D3A6:638E:7335 (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - I'm a different user than the person who posted this originally, but I came here to make the same objection. The following should be deleted: "However, widespread anti-Semitic sentiments in Palestinian society and Palestinian militancy have hindered the peace process," including both footnotes [3 and 4]. Antisemitism (while it may be present in some individuals) is not a significant issue hindering the peace process, and the sources here are clearly biased. The leading obstacles to the peace process are Israeli aggressions (see any number of UN resolutions on these) across decades and the refusal of Israel to provide Palestinians basic rights and/or complete sovereignty/statehood (regardless of borders) in any of the peace dealings. (posted June 4, 2024)

Palestinians have offered a limited right of return

The line "In 2000, after Yasser Arafat rejected the offer made to him by Ehud Barak based on a two-state solution and declined to negotiate for an alternative plan, it became clear that Arafat would not make a deal with Israel unless it included the full Palestinian right of return, which would demographically destroy the Jewish character[when defined as?] of the State of Israel." is unsupported by any source and is categorically false. In fact, The Palestinians have made literally dozens of offers with the wording of “Allowing (25.000) refugees to return annually to Israel for ( 10 ) years, renewable thereafter with the consent of both sides." Joint Document 2009 http://transparency.aljazeera.net/en/projects/thepalestinepapers/201218205546234589.html This number was specifically designed to not overwhelm Israel, Abbas:"On numbers of refugees, it is illogical to ask Israel to take 5 million, or indeed 1 million," he told officials. "That would mean the end of Israel.”’ (Joint Document 2009) The Palestinian proposal varied between 60,000 down to as little as 10,000: Allowing 10,000 refugees to return annually for 10 years renewable thereafter with the consent of both sides "

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/PalPaper042807.pdf

The current text in this article is an unsupported and false opinion.

Mcdruid (talk) 20:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamas views

The section on the Hamas views is completely wrong. Although the original Hamas "charter" of 1988 was strongly anti-Israel, by 2006, Hamas had accepted the existence of Israel on the 1967 lines in the "Prisoners' Document." This was reiterated by both Mishal and Sinwar in interviews. This was re-affirmed in the 2017 charter, as well as the proclamation of the October 7 2023 attacks.

The claim that "during the 1990s and 2000s the PLO leadership has stated that it considered any peace with Israel was to be temporary until the dream of Israel's destruction could be realized." needs to be backed up with specific citations and quotes. Mcdruid (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong. Hamas has actually proposed accepting an Israeli State on the 1967 lines since 1996:

Hamas would be willing to consider a cease-fire agreement with the Israelis if they agree to end their occupation of all the territories occupied in the aftermath of the six-day war in 1967. This would entail the cessation of all hostilities on the part of Hamas in exchange for the following concessions on the part of Israel:

the withdrawal of Israeli occupation troops from the West Bank and Gaza Strip;
the evacuation of all Jewish settlements illegally erected and populated by Jewish immigrants on Palestinian lands seized by force in both the West Bank and Gaza;
the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israeli detention;
the recognition of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination

– This is What We Struggle For: Hamas response to an EU request.

From Hamas: Unwritten Chapters by Dr Azzam Tamimi, Appendix III

Mcdruid (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for Arafat to reject the peace process

"In 2000, after Yasser Arafat rejected the offer made to him by Ehud Barak based on a two-state solution and declined to negotiate for an alternative plan, it became clear that Arafat would not make a deal with Israel unless it included the full Palestinian right of return, which would demographically destroy the Jewish character^{[when defined as?]} "

"it became clear that Arafat would not make a deal with Israel unless it included the full Palestinian right of return,"

The specific phrase above reflects a biased view of the peace process of Israel and Palestine, It speculates on Arafat's reasons for rejection without clear evidence and cites a source that neither mentions Arafat nor this specific offer from Barak and belongs to a biased advocacy website. Consequently, this phrase should be removed as it constitutes original research according to WP:OR

Lucasdmca (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, widespread anti-Semitic sentiments in Palestinian society and Palestinian militancy have hindered the peace process.

The phrase "However, widespread anti-Semitic sentiments in Palestinian society and Palestinian militancy have hindered the peace process." reflects a non-consensual viewpoint based on two opinion articles that cannot be considered reliable sources. According to Wikipedia guidelines, opinion articles should rarely be used for statements of fact - WP:RSEDITORIAL:

It presents a biased and one-sided perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian conflic which contradicts WP: NPOV, especially in the lead section: "the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources.".

This phrase should be completely erased. Lucasdmca (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 June 2024

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In the section titled "Yasser Arafat and the PLO", where "the Jewish character of the State of Israel" is referenced (second to last sentence), I am requesting that the wording of "the Jewish character" be "wikilinked" to the article on Jewish and democratic state. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Melmann 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]